tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post7380536782691122033..comments2024-01-16T06:14:42.330-05:00Comments on Bryn Oh: New terms of service aka kiss me you giant bombBryn Ohhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10649767662883786382noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-4948067531900098882013-10-02T00:28:32.574-04:002013-10-02T00:28:32.574-04:00Thank you Bryn for alerting us to this...geeze! I ...Thank you Bryn for alerting us to this...geeze! I already tried moving to another grid--it set me back a year, and was extremely expensive. I came back, but now I am planning research for people with PTSD and the virtual world as a possible recovery tool...that's *my* IP! Now I am all worried. :-( T2 already ripped off my content in 2011, even though Fearless Nation has been in the virtual of SL since 2009...Colleen M. Crary, M.A. (Anya Ibor in SL)--Fearless Nation PTSD Support, a 501c3 NonProfit.colleen3khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08910947637337758757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-54219556288337364002013-10-01T20:23:11.335-04:002013-10-01T20:23:11.335-04:00yes certainly Kylieyes certainly KylieBryn Ohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10649767662883786382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-84879873979746484882013-10-01T19:01:53.236-04:002013-10-01T19:01:53.236-04:00Bryn. I created a new "ground zero" blog...Bryn. I created a new "ground zero" blog for The United Content Creators of SL group. May I reprint and link back to this post on that blog?<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240001625776728216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-11154944699803968762013-10-01T11:23:10.938-04:002013-10-01T11:23:10.938-04:00Thank you Mireille
Chic Aeon directed me to a goo...Thank you Mireille<br /><br />Chic Aeon directed me to a good post today by Will Burns that is very long but interesting.<br /><br />http://cityofnidus.blogspot.ca/2013/09/your-world-your-imagination.htmlBryn Ohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10649767662883786382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-56811640967993344082013-10-01T06:45:45.325-04:002013-10-01T06:45:45.325-04:00Thank you, Bryn, for your clear and balanced post ...Thank you, Bryn, for your clear and balanced post on this concerning issue. I agree with you that the reasons behind the new ToS are likely based in a desire on the part of LL to avoid lengthy waits for permission to use items made in-world for advertising and related purposes. That is the only thing that makes sense to me UNLESS they are thinking of selling (and I too, am hopeful that a reinvigorated PR campaign is in the offing – from present owners or new).<br /> I also agree that LL needs to be transparent about this and - like so many - I wonder if they understand how important and responsible that is. They have something magical here, and I hope they’ve not forgotten that key fact. I've visited other virtual worlds, but I always come back to SL. That "magic" that Rod Humble spoke of in his episode of the Drax Files (I love you, Draxtor Despres!) gets me, every time. After all, MY SL is not everyone else's SL, and I do love that.<br /> Balance is needed in this ToS situation, along with a VERY healthy dose of respect for content creators who – in case LL has forgotten - actually MAKE SL what it is (and will make what it will be). I don't make much in SL, but what I do create is dear to me - or I wouldn't have created it. And the thing about the content in SL is that some is absolutely stunningly beautiful, exquisitely crafted content that is inventive and glorious - and some is poorly constructed, etc. I guess they really do want it all. Whatever the case, they seem to be taking the "schoolyard bully" route to get it – just doing as they please without so much as a “how do you do?” – and I don't like that at all.<br /> Communication is NOT their strong suit and the past is littered with questionable firings at the Lab and other rather mysterious happenings. I met a Linden once – four years ago – and have not encountered one in-world since (bless Torley – he just hasn’t made it round to see me yet). I have not appreciated LL’s handling of griefing, although it seems that other recent ToS changes in expected behavior (and response to that falling afoul of ToS) has made a positive difference. Griefing shrieks “cyberbullying” to me – something clearly illegal in many countries – and if they’ve managed to finally do something to stem that tide, I feel grateful. But even with that, it was all just done and not openly discussed (at least not within my earshot). Perhaps they just want to take the “hands off” stance and let us have our way with SL. Could it be as simple as that?<br /> Maybe. But then – even though I am keenly intuitive and a bit on the suspicious side from time to time - I have a tendency to be fairly naïve too. Oh, and sweet. <br />With deep appreciation to you Bryn, for this post and for your wonderful art and other important endeavours in the virtual – and actual – worlds.<br />MireilleMireillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17569771409517733306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-14911068570048980622013-10-01T06:43:03.320-04:002013-10-01T06:43:03.320-04:00Thank you, Bryn, for your clear and balanced post ...Thank you, Bryn, for your clear and balanced post on this concerning issue. I agree with you that the reasons behind the new ToS are likely based in a desire on the part of LL to avoid lengthy waits for permission to use items made in-world for advertising and related purposes. That is the only thing that makes sense to me UNLESS they are thinking of selling (and I too, am hopeful that a reinvigorated PR campaign is in the offing – from present owners or new).<br /> I also agree that LL needs to be transparent about this and - like so many - I wonder if they understand how important and responsible that is. They have something magical here, and I hope they’ve not forgotten that key fact. I've visited other virtual worlds, but I always come back to SL. That "magic" that Rod Humble spoke of in his episode of the Drax Files (I love you, Draxtor Despres!) gets me, every time. After all, MY SL is not everyone else's SL, and I do love that.<br /> Balance is needed in this ToS situation, along with a VERY healthy dose of respect for content creators who – in case LL has forgotten - actually MAKE SL what it is (and will make what it will be). I don't make much in SL, but what I do create is dear to me - or I wouldn't have created it. And the thing about the content in SL is that some is absolutely stunningly beautiful, exquisitely crafted content that is inventive and glorious - and some is poorly constructed, etc. I guess they really do want it all. Whatever the case, they seem to be taking the "schoolyard bully" route to get it – just doing as they please without so much as a “how do you do?” – and I don't like that at all.<br /> Communication is NOT their strong suit and the past is littered with questionable firings at the Lab and other rather mysterious happenings. I met a Linden once – four years ago – and have not encountered one in-world since (bless Torley – he just hasn’t made it round to see me yet). I have not appreciated LL’s handling of griefing, although it seems that other recent ToS changes in expected behavior (and response to that falling afoul of ToS) has made a positive difference. Griefing shrieks “cyberbullying” to me – something clearly illegal in many countries – and if they’ve managed to finally do something to stem that tide, I feel grateful. But even with that, it was all just done and not openly discussed (at least not within my earshot). Perhaps they just want to take the “hands off” stance and let us have our way with SL. Could it be as simple as that?<br /> Maybe. But then – even though I am keenly intuitive and a bit on the suspicious side from time to time - I have a tendency to be fairly naïve too. Oh, and sweet. <br />With deep appreciation to you Bryn, for this post and for your wonderful art and other important endeavours in the virtual – and actual – worlds.<br />MireilleMireillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17569771409517733306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-29463581445255549122013-09-30T17:36:42.915-04:002013-09-30T17:36:42.915-04:00I'm surprised an attorney has not already been...I'm surprised an attorney has not already been contacted to request clarification, since there are many content creators in SL who rely on their linden income as a livelihood or at least a nice income supplement.<br /><br />I can't imagine not doing so myself if I were talented enough to create something anyone inworld would buy.<br /><br />Or so it seems to me.<br /><br />Kerena ZhangsunFalcon Ranch Breedableshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01095435284962442378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-15113562423634476172013-09-29T18:59:37.158-04:002013-09-29T18:59:37.158-04:00You're probably right about the odds of LL wan...You're probably right about the odds of LL wanting to use user created content for business purposes. However, that doesn't really explain why they made teh changes to the TOS the way they did. The previous TOS covered any use of content for making the service work and for promotion. So the change was unnecessary for the uses for which they've always used it. Unless there's something else going on that we're not privy to. At any rate I'm not surprised that people are thinking long and hard before deciding to upload especially anyone who sells say low res versions of high res images the sell in RL.<br /><br />I'm not sure I've added much to the discussion but I do find it all quite interesting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02046954472352935970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-44298334182745407632013-09-29T18:43:56.760-04:002013-09-29T18:43:56.760-04:00Thank you for your post, Bryn. The Rose Theatre i...Thank you for your post, Bryn. The Rose Theatre is very much behind the creator in this and find the new TOS highly flammable. I will no longer upload work into SL and strongly encourage new artists into the gallery to do the same. What will become of Rose Gallery? It's hard to say at this time. <br /><br />We have started a new group inworld--open enrollment- United Content Creators of SL. In this group we will build a grassroots movement to change this impossible situation. We will utilize every avenue: social media, direct email campaigns, group joiners in as many venues as will take us, international teams to coordinate efforts internationally.... That is just the beginning. <br /><br />Thank you for your bold input.<br /><br />Kylie Addison Sabra<br />Curator, The Rose Theatre & Art Galleries<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15240001625776728216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-9386859525583644182013-09-29T10:14:40.098-04:002013-09-29T10:14:40.098-04:00http://savemeoh.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/linden-la...http://savemeoh.wordpress.com/2013/09/27/linden-lab-is-the-fence-of-stolen-goods/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-9398930460386089422013-09-29T01:08:14.987-04:002013-09-29T01:08:14.987-04:00I hope that is the case. They would do themselves...I hope that is the case. They would do themselves a favour by posting the reasons on their blog perhaps. I would like to think most people are reasonable and would understand, Linden Lab just needs to be transparent.Bryn Ohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10649767662883786382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-13236396629990863112013-09-28T17:35:23.276-04:002013-09-28T17:35:23.276-04:00I think it's the promotion issue you mentioned...I think it's the promotion issue you mentioned. When I read the TOS, the first thing I thought of was, they probably want to be able to use images and such in some kind of marketing/advertising campaign. Second Life has a much lower population than before, and is considered a "has been" to a lot of people in virtual worlds. Maybe they want to change that. <br /><br />I was on hiatus for over year. I didn't even know about mesh until I got back. So many don't know about the advancements/changes that have been going on in SL. I do hope that some Second Life promotion is in the works.Talulahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03899017550662922439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944516208447810948.post-38671167261656652272013-09-28T16:11:40.065-04:002013-09-28T16:11:40.065-04:00Always so on spot. To be honest since I don't ...Always so on spot. To be honest since I don't really give a fuck. You were being over generous about the Linden employees. I met more than my share who didn't even know their way around the UI let alone what the people in world were doing/needed. I felt like a tutor to a few of them. Anyway. This has been an issue for years and they need to correct it. I don't know what else to say but this is probably the single most frightening aspect of content creation in SL. CoMahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05535107335834326334noreply@blogger.com